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The Joe Rogan Interview with Dr. Robert Malone was a Treasure Trove of COVID Topics

By Betsy Barnett

January 5, 2022

Podcaster Joe Rogan has been breaking the podcast stratosphere as of late. The former comic now turned podcaster extraordinaire experienced a major shift of awakening a couple of months back when he contracted the Covid-19 virus while away from home. He told his audience he had been studying not only the mainstream media talking points of the importance of getting vaccinated—he hasn’t—and the total cancelling of some of the top doctors in the world who have put their careers and reputations on the line in order to get the truth out about an array of topics concerning the pandemic that has greatly impacted the entire world.

Rogan said he was prepared if he ever contracted Covid-19 and immediately received monoclonal antibodies, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, zinc and massive amounts of vitamins D3 and C. “I was fine a couple of days later. These were all things that the experts had not been talking about, at the very least, and some had gone so far to tell us they were unsafe.”

Since that time, Rogan has brought in leading experts from across the country who have given him and his listeners a much different perspective on dealing with the pandemic, the virus, the vaccines, the mandates, testing, etc. than agencies such as the CDC, NIH, HHS and WHO are telling us.

A couple of weeks ago Rogan brought in Dr. Peter A. McCullough, a famed cardiologist who has been a critic of the way our government agencies have approached the virus from the very beginning, particularly as to the injuries and deaths associated with the vaccines. The episode was one of the most listened podcasts in history.


But Rogan wasn’t even close to being finished with talking about the lies around the Covid-19 pandemic, as he then brought in the inventor of the mRNA technology that is a major component of the Covid-19 vaccines. Dr. Robert Malone is a medical doctor who worked at the Salk Institute early in his career. He specifically worked on RNA. He holds numerous mRNA patents and has evolved throughout his career in the field of medical product development, clinical trials and drug development.

This particular The Joe Rogan Experience podcast is now the biggest and most downloaded and listened to podcast in history. It broke the bank in many ways. It is one of those experiences—one of those conversations—that is a must listen to event as Malone holds nothing back defying his detractors including the mainstream media, big pharma and big tech who continue to attack him from all sides.

The information on the Rogan / Malone podcast reads as follows, “Dr. Robert Malone is the inventor of the nine original mRNA vaccine patents, which were originally filed in 1989 (including both the idea of mRNA vaccines and the original proof of principle experiments) and RNA transfection. Dr. Malone, has close to 100 peer-reviewed publications which have been cited over 12,000 times. Since January 2020, Dr. Malone has been leading a large team focused on clinical research design, drug development, computer modeling and mechanisms of action of repurposed drugs for the treatment of COVID-19. Dr. Malone is the Medical Director of The Unity Project, a group of 300 organizations across the US standing against mandated COVID vaccines for children. He is also the President of the Global Covid Summit, an organization of over 16,000 doctors and scientists committed to speaking truth to power about COVID pandemic research and treatment.”

One must ask the question—why has YouTube banned him? Why did twitter just kick Malone off their platform for good? Why is what he has to say so dangerous that you must not hear it? Listen for yourselves and you be the judge:

Below is a brief summary of just some of the topics discussed in the more than 3 hours that Rogan intently interviewed Malone:

Over the years, Malone says he’s coordinated trials which have received billions in Government funding. He claims he has worked with and knows many people at the CDC, knew Anthony Fauci well, and has many friends in the US intelligence community. Malone says he is now “a pariah”.

Rogan brings up the Twitter ban. Malone says he’s probably the only person with his background without a conflict of interest–says he earns no money from this (unlike others).

Malone also mentions he was de-platformed from LinkedIn for pointing out that the head of Reuters is also on the board of Pfizer. According to Malone, LinkedIn subsequently reinstated him and formally apologized for the ban.

Malone surmises why exactly he was banned from Twitter–COVID Care Alliance video re COVID vaccines and/or a post about the World Economic Forum and their media management. Malone says this topic is not completely understood or known at this time which was the offending tweet.

Malone discusses getting COVID in February 2020 and describes his “lungs burning”. He says he took famotidine. Malone then describes a trial he has helped design using famotidine and celecoxib to treat SARS-CoV-2. Further, Malone says the FDA would not allow an ivermectin arm in the study despite overwhelming data.

Rogan wants to know why there is obstruction of these drugs (hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin). Malone describes the involvement of Rick Bright and Janet Woodcock in preventing the use of these drugs in the treatment of COVID. He won’t speculate on the why but says they’re wrong.

Malone says it is bizarre that Merck would come out against ivermectin. He says billions of doses of both hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin have been safely administered as well as both being on the WHO’s essential drugs list.

Malone says he got the Chinese protocols in February 2020 and these included hydroxychloroquine. He said he gave this information to the US Government. Rogan mentions the apparent success of ivermectin and asks what happened in Uttar Pradesh, a providence of India where a high use of ivermectin apparently resulted low deaths.

Malone says he had ‘Long COVID’ and then also took the Moderna vaccine because at the time it was thought that it may help with this issue. Claims he had some adverse reactions to the vaccine but despite these was ultimately fine.

Discussion briefly turns to natural immunity. Rogan mentions studies showing better effect of natural immunity versus these vaccines. Malone agrees.

Malone discusses the Trusted News Initiative led by the BBC and their charge against misinformation/disinformation and the use of the term anti-vaxxer to suppress anything against approved sources (Fauci, Tedros).

Discussion turns to cancel culture in the medical field. Previous example with Fauci vs. Duesberg and now leaked emails between Fauci/Collins aiming to ridicule Great Barrington Declaration founders.

Malone talks about Israel with high Pfizer vaccine uptake (up to dose 4) and surrounding Palestinian territories with relatively low uptake without this discrepancy being reflected in death numbers. Malone says all cause mortality is the most reliable variable.

Malone says VAERS is unreliable but “it’s the best we got”. Says there are issues both ways–death post vaccine not necessarily vaccine caused, vaccine correlated. However, we’ve had the system for decades so we can look at trends and use aggregate value with large sample size.

They discuss the possibility that someone with a gunshot wound or trauma who happens to test positive for COVID and then dies may be labeled as a COVID death.

Malone says the FDA has not done their job. Mentions data manipulation and the case of Maddie de Garay which was allegedly reported as gastric distress by Pfizer in their trial, when it is claimed she had a seizure and is now wheelchair bound.

Malone says there are all kinds of ways to craft clinical trials and study reports to hide the bad stuff and highlight the good stuff. Says what gets reported is often biased by expected outcomes and tricks of data. Financial incentives to make bad stuff go away.

Malone says Thompson-Reuters is the fact checker of choice of Twitter and they are in turn tied to Pfizer. This in part decides what is allowed to be discussed on Twitter.

They discuss the attacks on physicians. Highlight cases of Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Kirk Milhoan. Malone talks about the attack against him to have his license removed based on tweets and The Atlantic article written about him. Claims he “killed millions”.

Rogan brings them back to the statistics around vaccine related myocarditis. Malone says data shows incidence of up to 1 in 2700 of myocarditis in boys post vaccination. Claims that this myocarditis is different, but he says no data yet. Also, other adverse effects e.g. dysmenorrhea.

Malone discusses concerns around fertility post vaccination because of what he says are lipids (lipid nano particles) with the potential to affect the ovaries. Also talks about the spike protein and its ability to cause blood clots regardless of whether from virus or vaccine.

There was extensive discussion about effects on ACEII receptors and disruption of the blood brain barrier by the spike protein. Rogan asks if the spike from the vaccine is different to the spike from the virus. Malone says yes but we don’t know if the difference actually matters.

Malone says it’s the job of the drug companies to prove that their spike i.e. vaccine created spike is not toxic. Rogan asks why so many people take the vaccine and have no adverse effects at all. Malone explains it with a response curve due to phenotypic/genetic differences.

Malone goes on to mention evidence that people who are diabetic or have high blood sugar levels seem to be more greatly affected by these spike side effects. This may be part of the explanation for many people being able to shrug off spike adverse effects, but not others.

Malone talks about T cells. Says we doesn’t really know for sure what these vaccines are doing to our T cells. Mentions cancer risks but cautions against lack of data. Also discusses some evidence for increased risk of illness post vaccination for a period of time.

Rogan asks about the vaccine efficacy window. Malone says it seems to be ever shrinking and goes on to mention that in some studies (cites Denmark study) there is a negative efficacy (higher risk of being infected) shown with increasing doses. Says this is specific to Omicron.

Malone says we’re administering a mismatched vaccine and driving the B and T memory cells towards a virus which no longer exists. Says his hypothesis for the poor viability of the vaccines on this basis is called “original antigenic sin”.

Malone talks about high pathogenicity and low pathogenicity H1N1 to describe in part the differences between other COVID variants and Omicron. Further discusses the very high R number (number of people infected by one person with a pathogen) of Omicron.

“Our government is out of control on this” says Malone. “They are lawless, they completely disregard bioethics” and “these mandates of an experimental vaccine are explicitly illegal, they are explicitly inconsistent with the Nuremberg Code”.

Rogan brings them back to Omicron. Malone talks about the alarmist models of Imperial College which he says the press just ran with. They talk about US hospital cases and the likely remaining predominance of Delta in those instances.

Malone says there is a perverse incentive to amplify the fear porn to maintain the state of emergency. Withholding of monoclonal antibodies and early treatment described as “inexplicable”. “Is it incompetence or is it malevolence?”.

Malone raises the lack of reporting on effectiveness of lockdown strategies as well as gain of function research and says “We’re in an environment in which truth and consequences are fungible”. Rogan says he feels compelled to have people on because of the censorship.

Malone says, “Pfizer is one of the most criminal pharmaceutical organizations in the world based on their past history and fines.” He says it’s a cost benefit analysis in the pharmaceutical industry about misbehavior and that they are not grounded in ethical principles.

Rogan and Malone discuss the “mass formation psychosis” taking place globally. Quite a soft wind down to the end of the show but essentially a call for less tribalism, more openness to discussion, and an end to censorship.

There was also a warning from both about the potential for an implementation of a social credit scoring system as an end point for all of this. Malone re-emphasizes the effect of what we’ve done to children including he says drops in IQ from masks and desocialization.

Rogan asks why the vaccine is dangerous to children. Malone says androgens have a role to play and that is the reason for the effect we are seeing in males. Malone also says that he’s not convinced that there is a discrepancy between kids and adults—he cites potential reporting bias.

Overall, this was an astounding podcast, if a bit long and meandering at times. Dr. Malone might be wrong about the information he presented or perhaps he’s right, but he doesn’t come across as a nutjob or someone dangerous in any way. Still, it is quite fascinating that Twitter banned him for hard to interpret reasons.

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